Unfortunately, you're looking at only one side of the coin here. This bill is going to now drive automated/kiosk ordering (and eventually overall more automated) systems to get away from relying on expensive labor thus actually doing away with jobs people need. Corporations will also now limit the number of employees they hire and have to pay due to the drastically increased hourly wage, and it will cause the fast food industry to increase their food pricing by over 30% to make up for the increased labor costs. This will make fast food unaffordable for many low income families who buy less expensive fast food to feed their families thus reducing the need for labor in these fast food establishments even further. Lastly, some of these corporations will just flat our leave CA as many other businesses have done to go to states that have more realistic, business (and employee) friendly policies. Overall, I believe CA will see job losses in the fast food industry thus it will become a detriment to those who need jobs versus helping them.
There is absolutely no way fast food monoliths like Burger Kings etc will ever leave California. That's just ridiculous. Look at the wages and benefit packages these global businesses like McDonalds offer in the other countries where they operate. They can, and will, raise wages and benefits when it is demanded of them and not a minute sooner.
As for automation, they can go right ahead. I'd love to see it work on a giant scale. If these jobs go the way of the lamp lighter then watch how people find other shit to do. The fake specter of losing jobs to robots is constantly used to keep people in there fucking places. I heard this all the time as a cashier at the grocery store. No. Treat and pay people like they deserve. We can make these jobs better for the very people who rely on them or we can keep pretending like we don't depend on their cheap labor to pad the pocket books of literal billionaires. These companies can more than afford these increases without raises prices. It is their choice to be dicks and act like anything that undercuts their unlimited profits is somehow going to bankrupt them. It's so disingenuous .
Yeah let's not improve the fast food industry and just keep people stuck in (too) low-paying jobs while ceos and shareholders make millions, because we might loose jobs lmfao.
I'm sorry but for the sarcasm but have heard this faulty line of reasoning to many times. If automation works, why the need to keep those jobs for humans? There are a lot of jobs that cannot be automated and where more people are needed. And if we ever get to a point where society can function, probably even prosper, without full-time jobs for all healthy adults, we can all take a shorter workweek. We didn't stop the development of cars and trains because carriage drivers and stable boys would lose their jobs
....Here is an education on what is happening with businesses in CA. And as this article notes, the exodus of businesses is underrepresented because it only notes "notable" businesses and not small businesses which make up the bulk of jobs. Low skilled workers are already being pushed out due to the lack of job availability as the article also notes. This new bill will reduce those low skilled labor options further.
Please. California has the 5th largest economy in the world. There is no dearth of jobs here for any skill level. Not at all. There are literally help wanted signs EVERYWHERE across the state. It is ok to pay people a living wage.
I am and I do and I agree with Ava. This line of thinking gets trotted out anytime workers have demanded living wages, an 8 hour work day, the 5 hour work week, etc.
Again, only one side of the coin is being considered here. You cannot suddenly and swiftly impact businesses for the sake of the employee, which will include smaller businesses as well and not just large corporations here, when that detriment could lead to the opposite of the very thing trying to be accomplished. I do not believe this was analyzed from all possible angles.
Interesting take! Seems more and more the buildings are closed for dine in and only the drive thru is open. Only thing I ever get is tea, Mcdo’s is legit but I like to make it myself and trying to explain how I like it if I have to do drive thru is frustrating. Just get these blank stares lol
Thanks! Well, we are business owners in CA and have a good grasp on the business policies here, how they affect the ability to do business here, and more importantly, how they affect a businesses' ability to hire employees. CA is not a business friendly state due to their policies. That is becoming increasingly more true as time passes, and so you see businesses leaving here for states like Texas. This in turn is shrinking the labor market (especially for small businesses which make up the bulk of available jobs, but corporations are leaving too) and is becoming a detriment. This new fast food bill will only add to that and especially for the people that need low skill jobs the most. As for fast food, we stick to healthier options available at places like Rubio's or we don't eat it, but I do have fun (like you!) making us healthier versions of fast food breakfast sandwiches, burgers, etc! Glad to see you doing the same! Haha...
Generally I agree with you, but this time you surprised me! As people making and spotlighting food that doesn’t suck, I would think you would also feel that the exploitive, soul sucking fast food corporations should be avoided at all costs. I know they provide jobs, but....No question, we would all eat better food. Just sayin’!🤷🏿♀️
Absolutely, we don’t think you should eat there but clearly millions do so the workers deserve their due and respect from the companies that employ them. Fuck McDonalds forever tho
I thank you for posting this point of view. I hear all the time, “nobody wants to work anymore” and now I have a better idea of why.. if I got treated like garbage, I wouldn’t want to go to work either.
So, Bad Manners posted a response to one of my comments yet I am blocked me from being able to respond to it. Hmmmmmm.....Cancelling, eh? That's not civil debate which should be had on important issues. That's controlling a narrative and pushing a one sided perspective. Bad on you Bad Manners.
OK. As for CA's economy status, that's an easy talking point to pick up on Google. What do you know about it that that makes it so? I ask, because it's a bit deceptive to say the least. If you include the cost of housing, taxes, gas, etc it drops CA's economy status to about 10th place. Stanford's Hoover institute studied this topic and put a report out on it in 2016. While 10th place would still be good, it is only a handful of industries that support the large economy here. To boot, because of that, the poor here are getting poorer (and becoming homeless. Which we have 25% of the nations homeless in CA!) regardless of the industry they work in, the rich are getting richer, and our middle class is disappearing. A big part of the reason? Policies like the fast food bill and other Democrat led policies. As an example, franchise owners who may only own a single shop or two (and who are part of the middle class in CA) will be scrambling with this fast food bill policy going in to effect very soon and may very well go out of business because of it. Yet, because of the franchise corporations 100+ unit status they own their franchise through these single shop owners will suffer. There are SO MANY single or two shop fast food owners like this in CA. So, the middle class, fast food restaurant owner loses and if/when that happens then so do their employees. There are a lot of nuances here. This is just one example and so this isn't a clean, easy, one side of the coin issue. It is much, much larger than that.
Unfortunately, you're looking at only one side of the coin here. This bill is going to now drive automated/kiosk ordering (and eventually overall more automated) systems to get away from relying on expensive labor thus actually doing away with jobs people need. Corporations will also now limit the number of employees they hire and have to pay due to the drastically increased hourly wage, and it will cause the fast food industry to increase their food pricing by over 30% to make up for the increased labor costs. This will make fast food unaffordable for many low income families who buy less expensive fast food to feed their families thus reducing the need for labor in these fast food establishments even further. Lastly, some of these corporations will just flat our leave CA as many other businesses have done to go to states that have more realistic, business (and employee) friendly policies. Overall, I believe CA will see job losses in the fast food industry thus it will become a detriment to those who need jobs versus helping them.
There is absolutely no way fast food monoliths like Burger Kings etc will ever leave California. That's just ridiculous. Look at the wages and benefit packages these global businesses like McDonalds offer in the other countries where they operate. They can, and will, raise wages and benefits when it is demanded of them and not a minute sooner.
As for automation, they can go right ahead. I'd love to see it work on a giant scale. If these jobs go the way of the lamp lighter then watch how people find other shit to do. The fake specter of losing jobs to robots is constantly used to keep people in there fucking places. I heard this all the time as a cashier at the grocery store. No. Treat and pay people like they deserve. We can make these jobs better for the very people who rely on them or we can keep pretending like we don't depend on their cheap labor to pad the pocket books of literal billionaires. These companies can more than afford these increases without raises prices. It is their choice to be dicks and act like anything that undercuts their unlimited profits is somehow going to bankrupt them. It's so disingenuous .
Scroll down to the section on the troubling consequences expected from this bill:
https://www.fisherphillips.com/news-insights/californias-fast-food-industry-faces-devastating-consequences-after-lawmakers-pass-union-backed-bill.html
Yeah let's not improve the fast food industry and just keep people stuck in (too) low-paying jobs while ceos and shareholders make millions, because we might loose jobs lmfao.
I'm sorry but for the sarcasm but have heard this faulty line of reasoning to many times. If automation works, why the need to keep those jobs for humans? There are a lot of jobs that cannot be automated and where more people are needed. And if we ever get to a point where society can function, probably even prosper, without full-time jobs for all healthy adults, we can all take a shorter workweek. We didn't stop the development of cars and trains because carriage drivers and stable boys would lose their jobs
....Here is an education on what is happening with businesses in CA. And as this article notes, the exodus of businesses is underrepresented because it only notes "notable" businesses and not small businesses which make up the bulk of jobs. Low skilled workers are already being pushed out due to the lack of job availability as the article also notes. This new bill will reduce those low skilled labor options further.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2021/08/27/businesses-are-fleeing-california-along-with-its-residents-and-president-biden-should-pay-attention/?sh=11f52b552327
Please. California has the 5th largest economy in the world. There is no dearth of jobs here for any skill level. Not at all. There are literally help wanted signs EVERYWHERE across the state. It is ok to pay people a living wage.
Are you a business owner? Do you live in CA and have a grasp on what's happening here?
I am and I do and I agree with Ava. This line of thinking gets trotted out anytime workers have demanded living wages, an 8 hour work day, the 5 hour work week, etc.
Again, only one side of the coin is being considered here. You cannot suddenly and swiftly impact businesses for the sake of the employee, which will include smaller businesses as well and not just large corporations here, when that detriment could lead to the opposite of the very thing trying to be accomplished. I do not believe this was analyzed from all possible angles.
Interesting take! Seems more and more the buildings are closed for dine in and only the drive thru is open. Only thing I ever get is tea, Mcdo’s is legit but I like to make it myself and trying to explain how I like it if I have to do drive thru is frustrating. Just get these blank stares lol
Thanks! Well, we are business owners in CA and have a good grasp on the business policies here, how they affect the ability to do business here, and more importantly, how they affect a businesses' ability to hire employees. CA is not a business friendly state due to their policies. That is becoming increasingly more true as time passes, and so you see businesses leaving here for states like Texas. This in turn is shrinking the labor market (especially for small businesses which make up the bulk of available jobs, but corporations are leaving too) and is becoming a detriment. This new fast food bill will only add to that and especially for the people that need low skill jobs the most. As for fast food, we stick to healthier options available at places like Rubio's or we don't eat it, but I do have fun (like you!) making us healthier versions of fast food breakfast sandwiches, burgers, etc! Glad to see you doing the same! Haha...
Hey folks,
Generally I agree with you, but this time you surprised me! As people making and spotlighting food that doesn’t suck, I would think you would also feel that the exploitive, soul sucking fast food corporations should be avoided at all costs. I know they provide jobs, but....No question, we would all eat better food. Just sayin’!🤷🏿♀️
Keep the superb food and ideas coming!
JulieBucks
Absolutely, we don’t think you should eat there but clearly millions do so the workers deserve their due and respect from the companies that employ them. Fuck McDonalds forever tho
I thank you for posting this point of view. I hear all the time, “nobody wants to work anymore” and now I have a better idea of why.. if I got treated like garbage, I wouldn’t want to go to work either.
So, Bad Manners posted a response to one of my comments yet I am blocked me from being able to respond to it. Hmmmmmm.....Cancelling, eh? That's not civil debate which should be had on important issues. That's controlling a narrative and pushing a one sided perspective. Bad on you Bad Manners.
You are not blocked in anyway
This comment allowed me to respond. Your original comment regarding the CA economy did not. Why is that?
No idea.
OK. As for CA's economy status, that's an easy talking point to pick up on Google. What do you know about it that that makes it so? I ask, because it's a bit deceptive to say the least. If you include the cost of housing, taxes, gas, etc it drops CA's economy status to about 10th place. Stanford's Hoover institute studied this topic and put a report out on it in 2016. While 10th place would still be good, it is only a handful of industries that support the large economy here. To boot, because of that, the poor here are getting poorer (and becoming homeless. Which we have 25% of the nations homeless in CA!) regardless of the industry they work in, the rich are getting richer, and our middle class is disappearing. A big part of the reason? Policies like the fast food bill and other Democrat led policies. As an example, franchise owners who may only own a single shop or two (and who are part of the middle class in CA) will be scrambling with this fast food bill policy going in to effect very soon and may very well go out of business because of it. Yet, because of the franchise corporations 100+ unit status they own their franchise through these single shop owners will suffer. There are SO MANY single or two shop fast food owners like this in CA. So, the middle class, fast food restaurant owner loses and if/when that happens then so do their employees. There are a lot of nuances here. This is just one example and so this isn't a clean, easy, one side of the coin issue. It is much, much larger than that.